Why oh why are Amazon sales diminishing rapidly?


#329

I dont buy anything from Amazon anymore since I found out how badly they treat their sellers - I buy from Ebay


#330

i sell via FBA - having the same issues- gone from selling 10 a day over last two years with no days of nothing…


#331

That used to happen. But it can no longer happen now that an ISBN is required to create a new page in the books catalogue. I have seen no examples of rogue dropshipper duplicates for books published in the last 18 months or so. But I think you are right that the search has changed so that it favours listings on which Amazon appear.

Paul


#332

I agree. Amazon sales are up 74% for the same 30 day period last year for me. But eBay sales are down 30% for the same period. I sell besboke products btw so not much competition from other sellers. If sales are right down for some of you then i think it must be due to competion from all the new sellers because there are plenty of people buying on Amazon.


#333

We are still talking about millions of rogue listings. But I agree that the single biggest factor is Amazon themselves and there is nothing we can do about it apart from broadening our scope and looking at listing on other sites.


#334

I wanted to buy a cheap item today and I gave up looking on Amazon as all that was being pushed were PRIME items (for some reason the prime badge is not showing on the main pages, but when you click on the listing all the items I could find were prime or Chinese only.

As I didn’t want to spend £20 to get free shipping I kept looking for an FBM listing…

After about 10 mins I was getting a little frustrated. I couldn’t be bothered to search any longer and went to eBay. Found what I wanted straight away for a much cheaper price.


#335

What amazes me is you can have 2500+ listings and only make 1 sale a week… or even 7 a day seems like very little. Unless the profits are very high per listing? That would make more sense.


#336

Obviously it depends what you sell.
I can remember in the ‘old’ days the rule of thumb was (for books) a sale a day per 1000. So my 5000 item inventory should (and used to) generate 5 a day - I’m lucky if I get that in a week now.


#337

Don’t forget books can cost as little as ,50p (or less) so you do the maths


#338

Well, it’s a bit hard to do the maths if I only know what it’s buying for and not selling for. I guess these might be very rare books? I would have thought most books sell from… 5 to 20 pounds? Decent margins at the higher end but compared to the volume of sales it still hardly seems worth the time.


#339

I’d be interested to know what kind of margins you’re working with. So you have 5000 books, one copy each (or maybe more) in some kind of warehouse? Or perhaps you also own a bookshop, that would make a lot of sense.


#340

Hi Prance - no I don’t own a bookshop or warehouse ! - these are stored at home in a spare room and garage.
Fortunately I am not dependent on this as my main and only income - started as a spare time add-on to my career, but I am now retired and although it is a business, it is more a hobby and to top-up my pension - I love books and used to enjoy selling on Amazon, but not so much now because of all the changes.


#341

When I first started on Amazon all those years ago my Amazon account manager told me the best way to get more sales was to list more products. That was pretty much rule of the thumb, these days listing new products doesn’t do anything, mainly because the searches are completely saturated, Amazon seem to have the handful of sellers that dominate however every year or two it seems to change,
All those specialised sellers seems to have been replaced by companies I’ve never heard of.
All those doing well now need to make the most of it because it changes and eventually they will be in the same position of some of us. I’m not scaremongering either, I don’t see any companies top of the searches that were there 2 years ago and the only ones that are still there seem to have a very limited amount of exposure, even those that used solely FBA aren’t particularly visible anymore


#342

So true. I’ve been selling on here for 13 years and I remember well when the more items I listed my sales would rise too.
I am now listing very little as wanting to downsize my inventory and concentrate on fewer more expensive books.


#343

Stirkes me that by raising the issue here, those suffering declining sales are beginning to do something about it.


#344

they can also cost as much as £10,000 or more…!


#345

Hello Prance,
The margins on 2nd hand books and media are high as the cost of stock is so low. Books are also a classic long tail business with literally millions of items with that have the potential to sell although in very small numbers. The combination of these two facts makes it possible to make money despite overall stock turns which would seem absurd to anyone selling any other type of goods. For a well organised book seller cash flow is hardly an issue at all.

On the other hand even one sale per thousand per day seems very unambitious. I am not sure that I could be bothered to get out of bed to do that. I don’t think I have ever fallen below 2 per 1000 per day and mostly better. These figures are only rough rules of thumb as the requirements to have periodic clear outs of old stock are very specific for every seller. In my own mind a number that I think of as critical is the marginal storage cost. Does it cost any more to stock one additional item? The other way too much stock has an impact on the bookseller’s business is when it effectively stops them listing new stock.

What drives sales is not how many units a seller has for but their rate of listing stock. Although the actual numbers and ratios will vary immensely this applies to all styles of seller from a boutique operator with a few hundred items, attempting to get an asp of more than £25, right through to the behemoth mega sellers such as World of Books.


#346

I think that there’s some truth to that. I’ve seen this too, it’s like a turnover of businesses. I still believe that a completely borked search algorithm is the main cause though.


#347

Amen ! (huh, why 20 characters to be able to reply ? - yet another of Amazon’s stupid ideas !)


#348

Many good points there, though I would agree with Prance’s claim that the rule of thumb-& certainly twenty five years back when we started migrating our stock over to Abe, was 1 per 1,000, it is now accepted its about 1 per 2,000 (as per PBFA conversations). Our turnover (online) is 1 per 650 on a stock of some 26,000.
Now if a book sells for £2.99 I would agree it wouldn’t be worth raising your head in the morning, if you are selling one for a couple of thousand pounds then it changes.
The long tail is also certainly true of antiquarian and some academic stock in particular. I am still listing books we bought almost 40 year ago.
Also found that if your stock is varied then try as many sales venues as possible, own website, bookfairs, shop, Amz, Abe, ebay, Biblio, Antiquebookworld & you’ll quickly discover that different genres sell very differently at each of them.