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I am being wrongfully charged VAT (tax) twice on all my orders. I have confirmed my non established status in UK and was informed by amazon that, they will keep collecting and remitting to the responsible Tax Authorities any VAT on your sales of goods delivered to customers in the UK. Which they were doing since May but now on 13th august warning sign of At risk start appearing on my account health and amazon again asked for Establishment verification required for VAT purposes. I again submitted as i do not meet the establishment criteria and received an email and notification in performance notification stating same as before only this time they are asking me to update my primary operating address to reflect non-establishment which i will update as i have 60 days to submit that i am arranging verification documents for my address to confirm it as primary operating address that is another issue.

But after that email of confirmation from amazon they have started charging me VAT on all the service Fees they charge me along with 20% VAT amount they have withheld on total order amount. As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

Already lost too much in 2 weeks due to this. Can anyone please help me get this resolve tried contacting seller support but no logical reason from them all they explain me is basic math and keep on insisting me that its ok to get charged VAT twice for a single transaction.

@Yujiro_Amazon@Josh_Amazon@JiAlex_Amazon@Glenn_Amazon@TaylorR_Amazon

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Amazon charging VAT on Service Fee despite being verified as Non Established in UK and marketplace withhelding VAT amount

I am being wrongfully charged VAT (tax) twice on all my orders. I have confirmed my non established status in UK and was informed by amazon that, they will keep collecting and remitting to the responsible Tax Authorities any VAT on your sales of goods delivered to customers in the UK. Which they were doing since May but now on 13th august warning sign of At risk start appearing on my account health and amazon again asked for Establishment verification required for VAT purposes. I again submitted as i do not meet the establishment criteria and received an email and notification in performance notification stating same as before only this time they are asking me to update my primary operating address to reflect non-establishment which i will update as i have 60 days to submit that i am arranging verification documents for my address to confirm it as primary operating address that is another issue.

But after that email of confirmation from amazon they have started charging me VAT on all the service Fees they charge me along with 20% VAT amount they have withheld on total order amount. As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

Already lost too much in 2 weeks due to this. Can anyone please help me get this resolve tried contacting seller support but no logical reason from them all they explain me is basic math and keep on insisting me that its ok to get charged VAT twice for a single transaction.

@Yujiro_Amazon@Josh_Amazon@JiAlex_Amazon@Glenn_Amazon@TaylorR_Amazon

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@Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx

I understand how frustrating this is — effectively losing ~40% to VAT on each sale is clearly unsustainable. Let me explain what's happening and what you can do about it.

There are two separate VAT mechanisms at play here, and the issue is that Amazon's systems may be applying both simultaneously when they shouldn't be:

1. VAT Withheld on Sales (20% on the order total)

Under UK VAT on e-Commerce (VOEC) legislation effective since January 2021, Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. This is the "deemed reseller" rule — Amazon acts as the deemed supplier for VAT purposes, collects 20% VAT from the customer at checkout, and remits it directly to HMRC. You should NOT be receiving this VAT amount in your disbursements, and you should NOT need to report or remit it yourself.

This part is correct and expected for a confirmed non-established seller.

2. VAT Charged on Service Fees (20% on referral fees, FBA fees, etc.)

This is where the problem likely lies. Since August 2024, Amazon EU Sarl (AEU) invoices seller fees through local branches. If your business is established in a country where AEU has a branch (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Poland, Belgium, Sweden), local VAT is added to your fees.

However — and this is the critical point — if you are confirmed as non-established in the UK, you should NOT be treated as UK-established for fee invoicing purposes. Sellers on the deemed reseller enforcement list (i.e., confirmed non-established sellers) should have their fee calculations zero-rated, meaning no UK VAT should be applied to your service fees.

Why this is likely happening?

It appears that Amazon's system has confirmed your non-established status for the sales VAT collection side (correctly withholding 20% on orders), but the fee invoicing side may still be treating you as UK-established and charging you 20% VAT on fees.

This is a known inconsistency that can occur when:

  • Your establishment status was recently re-evaluated (as happened with the August 13th Account Health warning)
  • Your primary operating address hasn't been updated yet to reflect non-establishment (which you mentioned you're in the process of doing)
  • There's a lag between the deemed reseller determination and the fee calculation system updating

In other words, the "sales engine" correctly treats you as non-established (withholds VAT on sales), while the "fee engine" incorrectly treats you as UK-established (charges VAT on fees). You're right that this results in double taxation.

Immediate Steps:

1. Download your fee invoices from Seller Central (Reports > Tax Document Library). Check the citation/legal text on the invoices. If they reference UK VAT law and show 20% VAT on your fees, this confirms the fee system is treating you as UK-established.

2. Open a new case with Seller Support, but specifically request escalation to the Tax Team or EU Compliance Team (not general support). In your case, clearly state:

  • "I am confirmed non-established in the UK for VAT purposes"
  • "Amazon is correctly withholding VAT on my sales under deemed reseller rules"
  • "However, I am also being charged 20% VAT on my service fees as if I were UK-established"
  • "This results in double VAT — please escalate to the Tax Engine / Fee Invoicing team to correct my fee VAT treatment"

Reference your Performance Notification that confirmed your non-established status. Attach a screenshot if possible.

3. Update your primary operating address as soon as you can. The fee VAT calculation uses your "Primary Place of Business" (PPOB) to determine where you're established. If your PPOB currently shows a UK address, the fee system will charge UK VAT regardless of your deemed reseller status.

For recovering the overcharged VAT:

  • Once the fee VAT issue is corrected going forward, ask Seller Support to raise a retroactive correction for the VAT incorrectly charged on fees since the problem started. They should be able to issue credit notes for the overcharged amounts.
  • If Seller Support continues to give you "basic math" explanations, use the Account Health Support line or request an executive escalation. The phrase to use is: "My account has an inconsistency between my deemed reseller status and my fee VAT treatment. This needs to be reviewed by the Tax or Finance team."

Important Note on the 60-Day Address Update

You mentioned you have 60 days to update your primary operating address. Do not delay this. The address update may be what triggers the fee system to stop charging you UK VAT. Until your PPOB reflects a non-UK address, the fee calculation system may continue to apply 20% UK VAT to your fees.

If you don't complete the address verification within 60 days, Amazon may withhold future disbursements, and if still not completed within a further 30 days, your account could be suspended.

For other sellers in this situation

If you're a non-established seller who has been confirmed as non-established but is still being charged VAT on service fees:

  • What was the resolution?
  • Did updating your primary operating address fix the fee VAT?
  • Did you have to get the Tax team involved?

This would be really helpful for anyone else caught in this gap between the two systems.

Hope this helps! 🤝

JiAlex

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As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

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Why 40%? Having VAT deducted from disbursements from sales seems correct in your case, although this is 16.6% of the gross sale value, 20% of the net, but if fees are around 15% of each sale, then VAT would be 20% of that, so only 3% of the total, surly, or am I missing something?

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@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Thanks for your response.

I think there is some misunderstanding on your side in understanding the issue.

Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. That means whenever i receive an order Amazon deduct the 20% of the total order amount before even money touching my account.

Lets say i sell an item with price 3 GBP.

1. Then Amazon collect 20% VAT which will be around 0.5GBp. (20% already gone)

After that FBA Fee as i sell low cost items it will be around 1.6 GBP + 20% VAT which will be 0.32.

Then 15 % referral Fee that would be 0.60 + 20% VAT 0.09.

Hence Total VAT amount i paid for above transaction would be 0.91 where it should be 0.50 and that is more than 40% around 43%.

Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

Appreciate your understanding.

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Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

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Still don't understand, sorry.

0.91 is 30% of 3.00, not 43%.

Searching on whether Amazon charge VAT on fees for non-UK established sellers does seem to indicate that they do. Whether or not this complies with HMRC is not clear, and I am no expert. Amazon are regarded as the deemed supplier, as you use FBA (that's why they collect VAT on sales). Whether this changes things and means they need to charge VAT on fees, I am not sure.

However, you should be registered for UK VAT and I would think can claim back the VAT on fees on your VAT return. However, as I said, I am no expert and advice should be sought from someone qualified.

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Hi @Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Hope you are doing good.

About my issue it has been clearly explained by Jialex_amazon above you can check the 1st reply and hopefully will get the answer for all the questions. Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that.

Regarding the mathematical calculation issue yes 30% of 3 is 0.90 that's simple math but in above senerio 3.00 selling price is including Tax tax won't be added on top of 3.00. so here is this case selling price without VAT is 3.00-0.91=2.09. Now if you check percentage of tax applied on selling price that would be 0.91/2.09= 0.435 that is 43.5% tax on selling price.

Hope that make sense now.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCxis correct here that if you are being charged VAT on fees then you should be able to reclaim this from HMRC on your VAT return. This maybe an easier step than getting a refund from seller support.

Going forward it is likely you should be charged 0% VAT on your fees due to your NETP status.

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Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales. I don't wanna go further deep in this conversation of is it possible to claim back VAT on invoices when you aren't remitting any VAT yourself.

My priority is to keep my account health in good position and make sure it is following all the policies. Moreover, VAT getting charged on Amazon Fees is totally wrong after my non-established status confirmed. So this would be not wises to leave the main establishment related and accout related issue unattended. While, i add more expenses, and extra working hours for myself just to claim back what i shouldn't be chargeed at first.

Thanks

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Hope you are doing good.

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I am very well, thank you, and hope you are too and not getting unnecessarily stressed over this issue (there are enough other things on Amazon to stress about)

I am going to amend my illustration. Your net price is £2.50 and you are essentially paying VAT on sales of only 20% or £0.50, no more, not 40+%. This is being dealt with by Amazon, and is a separate issue, which you acknowledged is as it should be.

The other £0.41 is VAT on expenses, or COGS, not VAT on sales, totally separate and no different to any other seller. There is a big difference. VAT on sales is not reclaimable. VAT on expenses should be shown on your monthly invoices and is reclaimable, so you are not, in the end, paying over 40% in VAT, only 20% on net sales.

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I understand how frustrating this is — effectively losing ~40% to VAT on each sale is clearly unsustainable
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Sorry, @JiAlex_Amazon, but (only) this bit is not correct, as I indicated above, only 20% is lost eventually (actually was only held for HMRC, never belonged to the seller or Amazon). The actual margin is not affected, only cashflow.

@Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx The only thing you are really querying is whether or not Amazon should be charging VAT on fees. Introducing VAT on sales and suggesting VAT on fees affects your margin has confused the issue, and diverted it away from the main query. I guess I am partly to blame for going off on a tangent, sorry.

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Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that
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I wouldn't rely on TAX advice from other sellers, even this forum. Almost all are not qualified to give advice, only opinions and these should be checked with a qualified expert.

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Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales.
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Don't forget, if Amazon repay the VAT already charged, and hopefully supply a credit note for the original and re-invoice showing reverse charge VAT (zero VAT), any VAT on the original invoices claimed previously by you needs repaying to HMRC.

I was wondering if you have a UK office registered on Companies House and Amazon. If so, this could be why Amazon are not reverse charging the VAT. I would think (again, opinion, not advice) all addresses on your seller account should be in your home country. This has cropped up many times, and it would be good to get some firm information from a mod. Also seller university to be updated to be absolutely clear about this and virtual offices.

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Amazon charging VAT on Service Fee despite being verified as Non Established in UK and marketplace withhelding VAT amount

I am being wrongfully charged VAT (tax) twice on all my orders. I have confirmed my non established status in UK and was informed by amazon that, they will keep collecting and remitting to the responsible Tax Authorities any VAT on your sales of goods delivered to customers in the UK. Which they were doing since May but now on 13th august warning sign of At risk start appearing on my account health and amazon again asked for Establishment verification required for VAT purposes. I again submitted as i do not meet the establishment criteria and received an email and notification in performance notification stating same as before only this time they are asking me to update my primary operating address to reflect non-establishment which i will update as i have 60 days to submit that i am arranging verification documents for my address to confirm it as primary operating address that is another issue.

But after that email of confirmation from amazon they have started charging me VAT on all the service Fees they charge me along with 20% VAT amount they have withheld on total order amount. As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

Already lost too much in 2 weeks due to this. Can anyone please help me get this resolve tried contacting seller support but no logical reason from them all they explain me is basic math and keep on insisting me that its ok to get charged VAT twice for a single transaction.

@Yujiro_Amazon@Josh_Amazon@JiAlex_Amazon@Glenn_Amazon@TaylorR_Amazon

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Amazon charging VAT on Service Fee despite being verified as Non Established in UK and marketplace withhelding VAT amount

I am being wrongfully charged VAT (tax) twice on all my orders. I have confirmed my non established status in UK and was informed by amazon that, they will keep collecting and remitting to the responsible Tax Authorities any VAT on your sales of goods delivered to customers in the UK. Which they were doing since May but now on 13th august warning sign of At risk start appearing on my account health and amazon again asked for Establishment verification required for VAT purposes. I again submitted as i do not meet the establishment criteria and received an email and notification in performance notification stating same as before only this time they are asking me to update my primary operating address to reflect non-establishment which i will update as i have 60 days to submit that i am arranging verification documents for my address to confirm it as primary operating address that is another issue.

But after that email of confirmation from amazon they have started charging me VAT on all the service Fees they charge me along with 20% VAT amount they have withheld on total order amount. As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

Already lost too much in 2 weeks due to this. Can anyone please help me get this resolve tried contacting seller support but no logical reason from them all they explain me is basic math and keep on insisting me that its ok to get charged VAT twice for a single transaction.

@Yujiro_Amazon@Josh_Amazon@JiAlex_Amazon@Glenn_Amazon@TaylorR_Amazon

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I am being wrongfully charged VAT (tax) twice on all my orders. I have confirmed my non established status in UK and was informed by amazon that, they will keep collecting and remitting to the responsible Tax Authorities any VAT on your sales of goods delivered to customers in the UK. Which they were doing since May but now on 13th august warning sign of At risk start appearing on my account health and amazon again asked for Establishment verification required for VAT purposes. I again submitted as i do not meet the establishment criteria and received an email and notification in performance notification stating same as before only this time they are asking me to update my primary operating address to reflect non-establishment which i will update as i have 60 days to submit that i am arranging verification documents for my address to confirm it as primary operating address that is another issue.

But after that email of confirmation from amazon they have started charging me VAT on all the service Fees they charge me along with 20% VAT amount they have withheld on total order amount. As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

Already lost too much in 2 weeks due to this. Can anyone please help me get this resolve tried contacting seller support but no logical reason from them all they explain me is basic math and keep on insisting me that its ok to get charged VAT twice for a single transaction.

@Yujiro_Amazon@Josh_Amazon@JiAlex_Amazon@Glenn_Amazon@TaylorR_Amazon

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@Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx

I understand how frustrating this is — effectively losing ~40% to VAT on each sale is clearly unsustainable. Let me explain what's happening and what you can do about it.

There are two separate VAT mechanisms at play here, and the issue is that Amazon's systems may be applying both simultaneously when they shouldn't be:

1. VAT Withheld on Sales (20% on the order total)

Under UK VAT on e-Commerce (VOEC) legislation effective since January 2021, Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. This is the "deemed reseller" rule — Amazon acts as the deemed supplier for VAT purposes, collects 20% VAT from the customer at checkout, and remits it directly to HMRC. You should NOT be receiving this VAT amount in your disbursements, and you should NOT need to report or remit it yourself.

This part is correct and expected for a confirmed non-established seller.

2. VAT Charged on Service Fees (20% on referral fees, FBA fees, etc.)

This is where the problem likely lies. Since August 2024, Amazon EU Sarl (AEU) invoices seller fees through local branches. If your business is established in a country where AEU has a branch (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Poland, Belgium, Sweden), local VAT is added to your fees.

However — and this is the critical point — if you are confirmed as non-established in the UK, you should NOT be treated as UK-established for fee invoicing purposes. Sellers on the deemed reseller enforcement list (i.e., confirmed non-established sellers) should have their fee calculations zero-rated, meaning no UK VAT should be applied to your service fees.

Why this is likely happening?

It appears that Amazon's system has confirmed your non-established status for the sales VAT collection side (correctly withholding 20% on orders), but the fee invoicing side may still be treating you as UK-established and charging you 20% VAT on fees.

This is a known inconsistency that can occur when:

  • Your establishment status was recently re-evaluated (as happened with the August 13th Account Health warning)
  • Your primary operating address hasn't been updated yet to reflect non-establishment (which you mentioned you're in the process of doing)
  • There's a lag between the deemed reseller determination and the fee calculation system updating

In other words, the "sales engine" correctly treats you as non-established (withholds VAT on sales), while the "fee engine" incorrectly treats you as UK-established (charges VAT on fees). You're right that this results in double taxation.

Immediate Steps:

1. Download your fee invoices from Seller Central (Reports > Tax Document Library). Check the citation/legal text on the invoices. If they reference UK VAT law and show 20% VAT on your fees, this confirms the fee system is treating you as UK-established.

2. Open a new case with Seller Support, but specifically request escalation to the Tax Team or EU Compliance Team (not general support). In your case, clearly state:

  • "I am confirmed non-established in the UK for VAT purposes"
  • "Amazon is correctly withholding VAT on my sales under deemed reseller rules"
  • "However, I am also being charged 20% VAT on my service fees as if I were UK-established"
  • "This results in double VAT — please escalate to the Tax Engine / Fee Invoicing team to correct my fee VAT treatment"

Reference your Performance Notification that confirmed your non-established status. Attach a screenshot if possible.

3. Update your primary operating address as soon as you can. The fee VAT calculation uses your "Primary Place of Business" (PPOB) to determine where you're established. If your PPOB currently shows a UK address, the fee system will charge UK VAT regardless of your deemed reseller status.

For recovering the overcharged VAT:

  • Once the fee VAT issue is corrected going forward, ask Seller Support to raise a retroactive correction for the VAT incorrectly charged on fees since the problem started. They should be able to issue credit notes for the overcharged amounts.
  • If Seller Support continues to give you "basic math" explanations, use the Account Health Support line or request an executive escalation. The phrase to use is: "My account has an inconsistency between my deemed reseller status and my fee VAT treatment. This needs to be reviewed by the Tax or Finance team."

Important Note on the 60-Day Address Update

You mentioned you have 60 days to update your primary operating address. Do not delay this. The address update may be what triggers the fee system to stop charging you UK VAT. Until your PPOB reflects a non-UK address, the fee calculation system may continue to apply 20% UK VAT to your fees.

If you don't complete the address verification within 60 days, Amazon may withhold future disbursements, and if still not completed within a further 30 days, your account could be suspended.

For other sellers in this situation

If you're a non-established seller who has been confirmed as non-established but is still being charged VAT on service fees:

  • What was the resolution?
  • Did updating your primary operating address fix the fee VAT?
  • Did you have to get the Tax team involved?

This would be really helpful for anyone else caught in this gap between the two systems.

Hope this helps! 🤝

JiAlex

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As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

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Why 40%? Having VAT deducted from disbursements from sales seems correct in your case, although this is 16.6% of the gross sale value, 20% of the net, but if fees are around 15% of each sale, then VAT would be 20% of that, so only 3% of the total, surly, or am I missing something?

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@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Thanks for your response.

I think there is some misunderstanding on your side in understanding the issue.

Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. That means whenever i receive an order Amazon deduct the 20% of the total order amount before even money touching my account.

Lets say i sell an item with price 3 GBP.

1. Then Amazon collect 20% VAT which will be around 0.5GBp. (20% already gone)

After that FBA Fee as i sell low cost items it will be around 1.6 GBP + 20% VAT which will be 0.32.

Then 15 % referral Fee that would be 0.60 + 20% VAT 0.09.

Hence Total VAT amount i paid for above transaction would be 0.91 where it should be 0.50 and that is more than 40% around 43%.

Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

Appreciate your understanding.

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Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx

Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

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Still don't understand, sorry.

0.91 is 30% of 3.00, not 43%.

Searching on whether Amazon charge VAT on fees for non-UK established sellers does seem to indicate that they do. Whether or not this complies with HMRC is not clear, and I am no expert. Amazon are regarded as the deemed supplier, as you use FBA (that's why they collect VAT on sales). Whether this changes things and means they need to charge VAT on fees, I am not sure.

However, you should be registered for UK VAT and I would think can claim back the VAT on fees on your VAT return. However, as I said, I am no expert and advice should be sought from someone qualified.

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Hi @Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Hope you are doing good.

About my issue it has been clearly explained by Jialex_amazon above you can check the 1st reply and hopefully will get the answer for all the questions. Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that.

Regarding the mathematical calculation issue yes 30% of 3 is 0.90 that's simple math but in above senerio 3.00 selling price is including Tax tax won't be added on top of 3.00. so here is this case selling price without VAT is 3.00-0.91=2.09. Now if you check percentage of tax applied on selling price that would be 0.91/2.09= 0.435 that is 43.5% tax on selling price.

Hope that make sense now.

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Seller_d8YGbIjNqwFxn

@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCxis correct here that if you are being charged VAT on fees then you should be able to reclaim this from HMRC on your VAT return. This maybe an easier step than getting a refund from seller support.

Going forward it is likely you should be charged 0% VAT on your fees due to your NETP status.

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Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx

Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales. I don't wanna go further deep in this conversation of is it possible to claim back VAT on invoices when you aren't remitting any VAT yourself.

My priority is to keep my account health in good position and make sure it is following all the policies. Moreover, VAT getting charged on Amazon Fees is totally wrong after my non-established status confirmed. So this would be not wises to leave the main establishment related and accout related issue unattended. While, i add more expenses, and extra working hours for myself just to claim back what i shouldn't be chargeed at first.

Thanks

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Hope you are doing good.

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I am very well, thank you, and hope you are too and not getting unnecessarily stressed over this issue (there are enough other things on Amazon to stress about)

I am going to amend my illustration. Your net price is £2.50 and you are essentially paying VAT on sales of only 20% or £0.50, no more, not 40+%. This is being dealt with by Amazon, and is a separate issue, which you acknowledged is as it should be.

The other £0.41 is VAT on expenses, or COGS, not VAT on sales, totally separate and no different to any other seller. There is a big difference. VAT on sales is not reclaimable. VAT on expenses should be shown on your monthly invoices and is reclaimable, so you are not, in the end, paying over 40% in VAT, only 20% on net sales.

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JiAlex_Amazon
I understand how frustrating this is — effectively losing ~40% to VAT on each sale is clearly unsustainable
View post

Sorry, @JiAlex_Amazon, but (only) this bit is not correct, as I indicated above, only 20% is lost eventually (actually was only held for HMRC, never belonged to the seller or Amazon). The actual margin is not affected, only cashflow.

@Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx The only thing you are really querying is whether or not Amazon should be charging VAT on fees. Introducing VAT on sales and suggesting VAT on fees affects your margin has confused the issue, and diverted it away from the main query. I guess I am partly to blame for going off on a tangent, sorry.

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Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx
Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that
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I wouldn't rely on TAX advice from other sellers, even this forum. Almost all are not qualified to give advice, only opinions and these should be checked with a qualified expert.

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Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx
Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales.
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Don't forget, if Amazon repay the VAT already charged, and hopefully supply a credit note for the original and re-invoice showing reverse charge VAT (zero VAT), any VAT on the original invoices claimed previously by you needs repaying to HMRC.

I was wondering if you have a UK office registered on Companies House and Amazon. If so, this could be why Amazon are not reverse charging the VAT. I would think (again, opinion, not advice) all addresses on your seller account should be in your home country. This has cropped up many times, and it would be good to get some firm information from a mod. Also seller university to be updated to be absolutely clear about this and virtual offices.

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I understand how frustrating this is — effectively losing ~40% to VAT on each sale is clearly unsustainable. Let me explain what's happening and what you can do about it.

There are two separate VAT mechanisms at play here, and the issue is that Amazon's systems may be applying both simultaneously when they shouldn't be:

1. VAT Withheld on Sales (20% on the order total)

Under UK VAT on e-Commerce (VOEC) legislation effective since January 2021, Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. This is the "deemed reseller" rule — Amazon acts as the deemed supplier for VAT purposes, collects 20% VAT from the customer at checkout, and remits it directly to HMRC. You should NOT be receiving this VAT amount in your disbursements, and you should NOT need to report or remit it yourself.

This part is correct and expected for a confirmed non-established seller.

2. VAT Charged on Service Fees (20% on referral fees, FBA fees, etc.)

This is where the problem likely lies. Since August 2024, Amazon EU Sarl (AEU) invoices seller fees through local branches. If your business is established in a country where AEU has a branch (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Poland, Belgium, Sweden), local VAT is added to your fees.

However — and this is the critical point — if you are confirmed as non-established in the UK, you should NOT be treated as UK-established for fee invoicing purposes. Sellers on the deemed reseller enforcement list (i.e., confirmed non-established sellers) should have their fee calculations zero-rated, meaning no UK VAT should be applied to your service fees.

Why this is likely happening?

It appears that Amazon's system has confirmed your non-established status for the sales VAT collection side (correctly withholding 20% on orders), but the fee invoicing side may still be treating you as UK-established and charging you 20% VAT on fees.

This is a known inconsistency that can occur when:

  • Your establishment status was recently re-evaluated (as happened with the August 13th Account Health warning)
  • Your primary operating address hasn't been updated yet to reflect non-establishment (which you mentioned you're in the process of doing)
  • There's a lag between the deemed reseller determination and the fee calculation system updating

In other words, the "sales engine" correctly treats you as non-established (withholds VAT on sales), while the "fee engine" incorrectly treats you as UK-established (charges VAT on fees). You're right that this results in double taxation.

Immediate Steps:

1. Download your fee invoices from Seller Central (Reports > Tax Document Library). Check the citation/legal text on the invoices. If they reference UK VAT law and show 20% VAT on your fees, this confirms the fee system is treating you as UK-established.

2. Open a new case with Seller Support, but specifically request escalation to the Tax Team or EU Compliance Team (not general support). In your case, clearly state:

  • "I am confirmed non-established in the UK for VAT purposes"
  • "Amazon is correctly withholding VAT on my sales under deemed reseller rules"
  • "However, I am also being charged 20% VAT on my service fees as if I were UK-established"
  • "This results in double VAT — please escalate to the Tax Engine / Fee Invoicing team to correct my fee VAT treatment"

Reference your Performance Notification that confirmed your non-established status. Attach a screenshot if possible.

3. Update your primary operating address as soon as you can. The fee VAT calculation uses your "Primary Place of Business" (PPOB) to determine where you're established. If your PPOB currently shows a UK address, the fee system will charge UK VAT regardless of your deemed reseller status.

For recovering the overcharged VAT:

  • Once the fee VAT issue is corrected going forward, ask Seller Support to raise a retroactive correction for the VAT incorrectly charged on fees since the problem started. They should be able to issue credit notes for the overcharged amounts.
  • If Seller Support continues to give you "basic math" explanations, use the Account Health Support line or request an executive escalation. The phrase to use is: "My account has an inconsistency between my deemed reseller status and my fee VAT treatment. This needs to be reviewed by the Tax or Finance team."

Important Note on the 60-Day Address Update

You mentioned you have 60 days to update your primary operating address. Do not delay this. The address update may be what triggers the fee system to stop charging you UK VAT. Until your PPOB reflects a non-UK address, the fee calculation system may continue to apply 20% UK VAT to your fees.

If you don't complete the address verification within 60 days, Amazon may withhold future disbursements, and if still not completed within a further 30 days, your account could be suspended.

For other sellers in this situation

If you're a non-established seller who has been confirmed as non-established but is still being charged VAT on service fees:

  • What was the resolution?
  • Did updating your primary operating address fix the fee VAT?
  • Did you have to get the Tax team involved?

This would be really helpful for anyone else caught in this gap between the two systems.

Hope this helps! 🤝

JiAlex

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@Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx

I understand how frustrating this is — effectively losing ~40% to VAT on each sale is clearly unsustainable. Let me explain what's happening and what you can do about it.

There are two separate VAT mechanisms at play here, and the issue is that Amazon's systems may be applying both simultaneously when they shouldn't be:

1. VAT Withheld on Sales (20% on the order total)

Under UK VAT on e-Commerce (VOEC) legislation effective since January 2021, Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. This is the "deemed reseller" rule — Amazon acts as the deemed supplier for VAT purposes, collects 20% VAT from the customer at checkout, and remits it directly to HMRC. You should NOT be receiving this VAT amount in your disbursements, and you should NOT need to report or remit it yourself.

This part is correct and expected for a confirmed non-established seller.

2. VAT Charged on Service Fees (20% on referral fees, FBA fees, etc.)

This is where the problem likely lies. Since August 2024, Amazon EU Sarl (AEU) invoices seller fees through local branches. If your business is established in a country where AEU has a branch (UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Poland, Belgium, Sweden), local VAT is added to your fees.

However — and this is the critical point — if you are confirmed as non-established in the UK, you should NOT be treated as UK-established for fee invoicing purposes. Sellers on the deemed reseller enforcement list (i.e., confirmed non-established sellers) should have their fee calculations zero-rated, meaning no UK VAT should be applied to your service fees.

Why this is likely happening?

It appears that Amazon's system has confirmed your non-established status for the sales VAT collection side (correctly withholding 20% on orders), but the fee invoicing side may still be treating you as UK-established and charging you 20% VAT on fees.

This is a known inconsistency that can occur when:

  • Your establishment status was recently re-evaluated (as happened with the August 13th Account Health warning)
  • Your primary operating address hasn't been updated yet to reflect non-establishment (which you mentioned you're in the process of doing)
  • There's a lag between the deemed reseller determination and the fee calculation system updating

In other words, the "sales engine" correctly treats you as non-established (withholds VAT on sales), while the "fee engine" incorrectly treats you as UK-established (charges VAT on fees). You're right that this results in double taxation.

Immediate Steps:

1. Download your fee invoices from Seller Central (Reports > Tax Document Library). Check the citation/legal text on the invoices. If they reference UK VAT law and show 20% VAT on your fees, this confirms the fee system is treating you as UK-established.

2. Open a new case with Seller Support, but specifically request escalation to the Tax Team or EU Compliance Team (not general support). In your case, clearly state:

  • "I am confirmed non-established in the UK for VAT purposes"
  • "Amazon is correctly withholding VAT on my sales under deemed reseller rules"
  • "However, I am also being charged 20% VAT on my service fees as if I were UK-established"
  • "This results in double VAT — please escalate to the Tax Engine / Fee Invoicing team to correct my fee VAT treatment"

Reference your Performance Notification that confirmed your non-established status. Attach a screenshot if possible.

3. Update your primary operating address as soon as you can. The fee VAT calculation uses your "Primary Place of Business" (PPOB) to determine where you're established. If your PPOB currently shows a UK address, the fee system will charge UK VAT regardless of your deemed reseller status.

For recovering the overcharged VAT:

  • Once the fee VAT issue is corrected going forward, ask Seller Support to raise a retroactive correction for the VAT incorrectly charged on fees since the problem started. They should be able to issue credit notes for the overcharged amounts.
  • If Seller Support continues to give you "basic math" explanations, use the Account Health Support line or request an executive escalation. The phrase to use is: "My account has an inconsistency between my deemed reseller status and my fee VAT treatment. This needs to be reviewed by the Tax or Finance team."

Important Note on the 60-Day Address Update

You mentioned you have 60 days to update your primary operating address. Do not delay this. The address update may be what triggers the fee system to stop charging you UK VAT. Until your PPOB reflects a non-UK address, the fee calculation system may continue to apply 20% UK VAT to your fees.

If you don't complete the address verification within 60 days, Amazon may withhold future disbursements, and if still not completed within a further 30 days, your account could be suspended.

For other sellers in this situation

If you're a non-established seller who has been confirmed as non-established but is still being charged VAT on service fees:

  • What was the resolution?
  • Did updating your primary operating address fix the fee VAT?
  • Did you have to get the Tax team involved?

This would be really helpful for anyone else caught in this gap between the two systems.

Hope this helps! 🤝

JiAlex

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As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

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Why 40%? Having VAT deducted from disbursements from sales seems correct in your case, although this is 16.6% of the gross sale value, 20% of the net, but if fees are around 15% of each sale, then VAT would be 20% of that, so only 3% of the total, surly, or am I missing something?

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As a result i end up paying around 40% VAT in total on a item sold.

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Why 40%? Having VAT deducted from disbursements from sales seems correct in your case, although this is 16.6% of the gross sale value, 20% of the net, but if fees are around 15% of each sale, then VAT would be 20% of that, so only 3% of the total, surly, or am I missing something?

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@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Thanks for your response.

I think there is some misunderstanding on your side in understanding the issue.

Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. That means whenever i receive an order Amazon deduct the 20% of the total order amount before even money touching my account.

Lets say i sell an item with price 3 GBP.

1. Then Amazon collect 20% VAT which will be around 0.5GBp. (20% already gone)

After that FBA Fee as i sell low cost items it will be around 1.6 GBP + 20% VAT which will be 0.32.

Then 15 % referral Fee that would be 0.60 + 20% VAT 0.09.

Hence Total VAT amount i paid for above transaction would be 0.91 where it should be 0.50 and that is more than 40% around 43%.

Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

Appreciate your understanding.

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Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx

@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Thanks for your response.

I think there is some misunderstanding on your side in understanding the issue.

Amazon is legally required to collect and remit UK VAT on sales made by non-UK-established sellers where goods are delivered from UK inventory to UK customers. That means whenever i receive an order Amazon deduct the 20% of the total order amount before even money touching my account.

Lets say i sell an item with price 3 GBP.

1. Then Amazon collect 20% VAT which will be around 0.5GBp. (20% already gone)

After that FBA Fee as i sell low cost items it will be around 1.6 GBP + 20% VAT which will be 0.32.

Then 15 % referral Fee that would be 0.60 + 20% VAT 0.09.

Hence Total VAT amount i paid for above transaction would be 0.91 where it should be 0.50 and that is more than 40% around 43%.

Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

Appreciate your understanding.

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Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

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Still don't understand, sorry.

0.91 is 30% of 3.00, not 43%.

Searching on whether Amazon charge VAT on fees for non-UK established sellers does seem to indicate that they do. Whether or not this complies with HMRC is not clear, and I am no expert. Amazon are regarded as the deemed supplier, as you use FBA (that's why they collect VAT on sales). Whether this changes things and means they need to charge VAT on fees, I am not sure.

However, you should be registered for UK VAT and I would think can claim back the VAT on fees on your VAT return. However, as I said, I am no expert and advice should be sought from someone qualified.

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Hope you understand my issue now and reason why i am so worried about it.

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Still don't understand, sorry.

0.91 is 30% of 3.00, not 43%.

Searching on whether Amazon charge VAT on fees for non-UK established sellers does seem to indicate that they do. Whether or not this complies with HMRC is not clear, and I am no expert. Amazon are regarded as the deemed supplier, as you use FBA (that's why they collect VAT on sales). Whether this changes things and means they need to charge VAT on fees, I am not sure.

However, you should be registered for UK VAT and I would think can claim back the VAT on fees on your VAT return. However, as I said, I am no expert and advice should be sought from someone qualified.

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Hi @Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Hope you are doing good.

About my issue it has been clearly explained by Jialex_amazon above you can check the 1st reply and hopefully will get the answer for all the questions. Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that.

Regarding the mathematical calculation issue yes 30% of 3 is 0.90 that's simple math but in above senerio 3.00 selling price is including Tax tax won't be added on top of 3.00. so here is this case selling price without VAT is 3.00-0.91=2.09. Now if you check percentage of tax applied on selling price that would be 0.91/2.09= 0.435 that is 43.5% tax on selling price.

Hope that make sense now.

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Hi @Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCx

Hope you are doing good.

About my issue it has been clearly explained by Jialex_amazon above you can check the 1st reply and hopefully will get the answer for all the questions. Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that.

Regarding the mathematical calculation issue yes 30% of 3 is 0.90 that's simple math but in above senerio 3.00 selling price is including Tax tax won't be added on top of 3.00. so here is this case selling price without VAT is 3.00-0.91=2.09. Now if you check percentage of tax applied on selling price that would be 0.91/2.09= 0.435 that is 43.5% tax on selling price.

Hope that make sense now.

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@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCxis correct here that if you are being charged VAT on fees then you should be able to reclaim this from HMRC on your VAT return. This maybe an easier step than getting a refund from seller support.

Going forward it is likely you should be charged 0% VAT on your fees due to your NETP status.

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@Seller_MT8rt0A2OpbCxis correct here that if you are being charged VAT on fees then you should be able to reclaim this from HMRC on your VAT return. This maybe an easier step than getting a refund from seller support.

Going forward it is likely you should be charged 0% VAT on your fees due to your NETP status.

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Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales. I don't wanna go further deep in this conversation of is it possible to claim back VAT on invoices when you aren't remitting any VAT yourself.

My priority is to keep my account health in good position and make sure it is following all the policies. Moreover, VAT getting charged on Amazon Fees is totally wrong after my non-established status confirmed. So this would be not wises to leave the main establishment related and accout related issue unattended. While, i add more expenses, and extra working hours for myself just to claim back what i shouldn't be chargeed at first.

Thanks

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Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales. I don't wanna go further deep in this conversation of is it possible to claim back VAT on invoices when you aren't remitting any VAT yourself.

My priority is to keep my account health in good position and make sure it is following all the policies. Moreover, VAT getting charged on Amazon Fees is totally wrong after my non-established status confirmed. So this would be not wises to leave the main establishment related and accout related issue unattended. While, i add more expenses, and extra working hours for myself just to claim back what i shouldn't be chargeed at first.

Thanks

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Hope you are doing good.

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I am very well, thank you, and hope you are too and not getting unnecessarily stressed over this issue (there are enough other things on Amazon to stress about)

I am going to amend my illustration. Your net price is £2.50 and you are essentially paying VAT on sales of only 20% or £0.50, no more, not 40+%. This is being dealt with by Amazon, and is a separate issue, which you acknowledged is as it should be.

The other £0.41 is VAT on expenses, or COGS, not VAT on sales, totally separate and no different to any other seller. There is a big difference. VAT on sales is not reclaimable. VAT on expenses should be shown on your monthly invoices and is reclaimable, so you are not, in the end, paying over 40% in VAT, only 20% on net sales.

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Sorry, @JiAlex_Amazon, but (only) this bit is not correct, as I indicated above, only 20% is lost eventually (actually was only held for HMRC, never belonged to the seller or Amazon). The actual margin is not affected, only cashflow.

@Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx The only thing you are really querying is whether or not Amazon should be charging VAT on fees. Introducing VAT on sales and suggesting VAT on fees affects your margin has confused the issue, and diverted it away from the main query. I guess I am partly to blame for going off on a tangent, sorry.

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Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that
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I wouldn't rely on TAX advice from other sellers, even this forum. Almost all are not qualified to give advice, only opinions and these should be checked with a qualified expert.

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Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales.
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Don't forget, if Amazon repay the VAT already charged, and hopefully supply a credit note for the original and re-invoice showing reverse charge VAT (zero VAT), any VAT on the original invoices claimed previously by you needs repaying to HMRC.

I was wondering if you have a UK office registered on Companies House and Amazon. If so, this could be why Amazon are not reverse charging the VAT. I would think (again, opinion, not advice) all addresses on your seller account should be in your home country. This has cropped up many times, and it would be good to get some firm information from a mod. Also seller university to be updated to be absolutely clear about this and virtual offices.

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Hope you are doing good.

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I am very well, thank you, and hope you are too and not getting unnecessarily stressed over this issue (there are enough other things on Amazon to stress about)

I am going to amend my illustration. Your net price is £2.50 and you are essentially paying VAT on sales of only 20% or £0.50, no more, not 40+%. This is being dealt with by Amazon, and is a separate issue, which you acknowledged is as it should be.

The other £0.41 is VAT on expenses, or COGS, not VAT on sales, totally separate and no different to any other seller. There is a big difference. VAT on sales is not reclaimable. VAT on expenses should be shown on your monthly invoices and is reclaimable, so you are not, in the end, paying over 40% in VAT, only 20% on net sales.

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Sorry, @JiAlex_Amazon, but (only) this bit is not correct, as I indicated above, only 20% is lost eventually (actually was only held for HMRC, never belonged to the seller or Amazon). The actual margin is not affected, only cashflow.

@Seller_o6qE06K9lSfyx The only thing you are really querying is whether or not Amazon should be charging VAT on fees. Introducing VAT on sales and suggesting VAT on fees affects your margin has confused the issue, and diverted it away from the main query. I guess I am partly to blame for going off on a tangent, sorry.

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Because i am sure about it as i have checked with many other non-established sellers and above explanation gives me logical proofs of that
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I wouldn't rely on TAX advice from other sellers, even this forum. Almost all are not qualified to give advice, only opinions and these should be checked with a qualified expert.

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Yes we can always claim VAT paid against all the invoices from HMRC and it usually get adjusted in our total payable VAT on sales.
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Don't forget, if Amazon repay the VAT already charged, and hopefully supply a credit note for the original and re-invoice showing reverse charge VAT (zero VAT), any VAT on the original invoices claimed previously by you needs repaying to HMRC.

I was wondering if you have a UK office registered on Companies House and Amazon. If so, this could be why Amazon are not reverse charging the VAT. I would think (again, opinion, not advice) all addresses on your seller account should be in your home country. This has cropped up many times, and it would be good to get some firm information from a mod. Also seller university to be updated to be absolutely clear about this and virtual offices.

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