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Seller_tRuvBEHDedp4q

Strange refund problem

So a customer says their item has not arrived. I check tracking and it says delivered so ask customer to re-check with anyone else at address, safe place, neighbours etc.

They come back on Sunday and say it definitely was not delivered. I did not pick up the message until Monday and by then the customer had opened an A-Z.

As the A-Z had not yet been processed by Amazon and no decision made I refunded customer anyway (cus we all know Amazon usually sides with customer and if I refunded voluntarily I would not get the metric defect).

All good - except an hour later Amazon sent me a message saying they had reached a decision and found that the A-Z was denied to customer because 'the claim was filed out of policy or we detected customer activity that violated our policies'

Now I assumed that as I had refunded voluntarily Amazon were denying the customer the A-Z but it was just a badly worded email to that effect.

Then today I had another message from customer asking why their refund was denied. I explained I had already refunded at my end and now Amazon would process the refund back onto their card and if there was any problems they should now contact Amazon customer services.

I then checked the order - and found no refund had been processed after all. Yesterday the order definitely showed a refund amount but today nothing at all. So it looks like Amazon may have denied processing the refund too.

Now on one hand I am happy Amazon have actually sided with me instead of customer for a change - but on the other I am dreading customer complaining and trying to explain all this to Seller Support!

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Tags:INR (item not received), Seller fulfilled, Shipping
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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

One thing to note - if you refund an order with an open A-Z, that is normally an acceptance that you were at fault and it WILL hit your ODR as per this page. Important bit is below.

You choose to provide a full refund: You can choose to issue a full refund to the customer by clicking refund customer as the investigation is under progress and the Claim will be closed. This will affect your Order Defect Rate. If you issue a refund to the customer, you may choose to request that the customer return the item before you process the refund.

Clearly in this instance, amazon have spotted the customer is a bad actor so its gone your way, but worth noting the point above.

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Seller_tRuvBEHDedp4q

Yes its a lottery

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Seller_Fg2fqaWOnEtha
But I lost one two days ago because parcel was delivered on 14th early in the morning instead of by the 13th as promised by Amazon.
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I mean policy even says customer has to wait 3 days from EDD to even file a claim - and even then Amazon are supposed to direct customer to message the seller first before an A-Z can be opened.

Its ridiculous Amazon cannot follow their own policies.

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Seller_Fg2fqaWOnEtha
I appealed the decision because it had affected my ODR when I had used Buy Shipping
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Even this policy is often ignored. After having several appeals denied in exactly the same situation I have now moved all my postings back to using Click & Drop and away from Buy Shipping. OK I get warnings about low VTR - but at least I get the benefit of Royal Mail discounts on bulk shipments.

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Seller_V6DKYyRKqyUtD

In order for all this nonsense to stop Amazon will have to start taking the lost by financing these refunds themselves.

Since refunds don't comes from amazon pockets they have nothing to loose they gladly refund even if the customers don't ask for it Amazon would have already collected their commission and fulfillment fee

Not until someone or a company take up this issue with the Government it will continue

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