Venting about the Complete Incompetence of Support
Wow is all I can say. I have never met such a complete bunch of incompetent people that Amazon employ as ‘Support’ personnel (I use the word Support very loosely)
Ok so I bit of background:
Amazon stopped providing prepaid returns labels for an item I was selling. This issue went on for awhile and I finally got to the bottom of it. However, on any return happening in the meantime I instead provided customer with my own prepaid returns label.
Customer would return item using my label. I would try to refund customer but find I cannot as I have to enter a value above 0 in the ‘Return Shipping’ box. But there was no return shipping cost to customer as they used a prepaid label I had sent them.
I asked Support why this was the case - and so started a marathon exchange of messages where Support have completely ignored the actual question and instead keep sending me totally irrelevant information. In each case I repeated the actual question and have even sent screenshots of the refund page (twice now) showing that the ‘Return Shipping’ box is in red and I have to enter a value in order to process the refund.
Response 1 - telling me how to refund customer
Response 2 - asking for Order number of the item causing problem (screenshot attached)
Response 3 - link to help explaining the prepaid returns process
Response 4 - asking for Order number of the item causing problem (screenshot attached)
Response 5 - link to help explaining how to enter values on the refund screen (help says ‘Return Shipping’ box is optional but it is not)
Response 6 - telling to how to refund customer
Response 7 - telling me how to make a return for an item I purchased (why they sent this I have no idea)
Not a single response addressing the actual question. The closest was the response with a link to help explaining which fields needed to be entered on the refund item page - but even that said that the ‘Return Shipping’ box is optional when it is not.
Obviously - Amazon do not want to admit they made a mistake in the Refund Page interface. When an item is determined as being ‘free returns’, yet seller has issued their own prepaid returns label, then it is not possible to do a refund via the ‘Manage Returns’ screen. (There is a workaround - and that is issuing refund via the Orders page instead and selecting ‘Buyer Return’ but it should be possible to do it on the Manage Returns page).
At the moment issuing refund via the ‘Orders’ page does not seem to affect metrics for cancellation rate - but how long will it be before this loophole is closed and all returns have to be processed via the Manage Returns screen. At that point it will not be possible to issue your own prepaid returns labels or if you do you will have to refund customer a nominal 1p to process the refund.
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Seller_tRuvBEHDedp4q
Ha ha - just has latest response from Support
They have finally answered the question but without admitting it is mistake on their part.
This was the answer:
I apologize for the inconvenience and understand how much it means to you, I have investigated the issue thoroughly and found that you can go ahead and divide the amount into two parts and show it in returns shipping fee as you have already paid for it. Please however contact the buyer and inform them the same that they will receive the whole amount only be divided into two parts.
OK - so its another workaround. Not tried it yet - but I can see now if item was £9.99 and I refund customer £9.98 for the item and 1p for Return Shipping - will customer complain to Support why they not receive full refund??
Seller_EHYOwAkoZV3Hb
Amazon never ever ever admit they are wrong. That’s my experience anyway. Even when the error is staring at them in the face.
Maybe refunding £9.99 + 1p return shipping would be better?
Seller_Yja9oH7DLHk2I
I have have just had a similar lengthy exchange over something and they have just sent me the same unrelated reply for the 10th time. At the bottom they put that if I reopen the case or ask the same question again they will remove their support and prevent me opening cases.
Seller_tRuvBEHDedp4q
Yes as suspected the response from support saying to divide the refund into 2 parts does not work.
You cannot make a deduction on original item if it was received in original condition (which it has been).
I could ‘pretend’ there was a problem of course and deduct 1p so that I could then refund 1p in the return shipping box - but I still then have to upload a picture proving the problem.
I cannot understand why they cannot see the problem.
I provided prepaid returns label
Customer uses label to return item
I now cannot process refund as I have to enter a value above 0 in the Return Shipping box
Yes - I could enter 1p but why should I have to?
Seller_tRuvBEHDedp4q
Latest response from Support
Asking me to provide screenshot of the error and timestamp
I have already provided screenshot twice before showing the ‘Return Shipping’ box is in red as it expects a value above 0 to be entered and without a value above 0 the ‘Process Refund’ button stays greyed out.
I have sent yet another example of another order with the problem.
Why cant they read previous messages?
Seller_LKjg1QRrO36Yq
To be fair, the browser issue I had was quite a complex one and beyond the ken of the average SS operative but it’s just a pity that Amazon doesn’t have an easier route whereby we can report technical problems.
There are many times when I come across problems with Amazon’s site but don’t bother attempting to report them because I know I will have to first get through a maze of auto bot responses and irrelevant cut’n’pastes that are all designed to put the onus on the person reporting them (ie, us).
Seller_tRuvBEHDedp4q
Halleluja - I have finally been given a sensible answer
Ok - so this is what anyone in same predicament needs to do.
Find the order in Manage Returns
Click ‘Edit Authorisation’
Change the settings so you are providing your own prepaid returns label and upload it along with tracking number
Enter cost as £0 (if it is a free return)
Not tried the process yet as only just got the message. But at least its a solution although a bit of a faff.
Its a shame though that the file upload for the label wont accept pdf files only jpg, tiff and png as when I create tracked return labels with Click & Drop it creates a PDF so I will then have to convert it - but we cant have everything lol !!
Seller_8OKJuv67Cg27t
I have a similar problem, customer bought a VHS tape, plainly says VHS tape in description and title but he wanted the DVD. Amazon have now issued him a “retunless refund” meaning he doesn’t have to return the item and all his payment (item and postage) has been refunded from my account despite it being his error and no fault of mine.
I have contacted Amazon about this and they advised making a “Safe T” claim using dropdown on the Orders Tab on my selling account.
There is no Safe T claim drop down.
I have requested more information and a link, I am just directed back to the orders tab and the “make a Safe T claim”
I have phoned customer service, they were unable to find the tab, they promised to email the information
Ha -as if.
I just received another email answer on the case directing me again to go to the orders tab and use the Safe t claim option, I have just reopened the case again.
Does anyone out there have any experience of this?