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Seller_11OSEBUHQVy8a

Featured Box Inactive Post ODR Repair

ODR went above 1% about 2.5 months ago. We lost all our featured offer eligibility. It has been 2.5 months now, ODR back to below 1%, late shipment rate past 30 days 0%, cancellation rate 0%, on time delivery 99.36%, tracking upload rate 100%, feedbacks are great, pricings are great, even if I enter a product's sale price $0.01 it doesn't give and there is no competitor, it doesn't give me buybox.

Case ID: 15021958601

Please investigate backend, I've heard the backend needs to be reset sometimes.

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@Troy_Amazon@CR_Amazon@SEAmod@KJ_Amazon@Jameson_Amazonrequesting help please, it seems like ODR hitting above 1% once means complete end to featured offer formula? It's been 2.5 months; we've learned our lesson, Requesting mercy.

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Update: Case ID marked answered but not resolved.

"We’re not able to discuss all the factors that determine Featured Offer Eligibility, but here are some tips to help increase the chance of your offers being eligible:

• Provide great customer service

• Ensure product authenticity and quality

• Prevent chargeback claims"

"We regret to inform to you that Selling Partner Support will not be able to provide any further information."

2.5 months we waited to hear this. Everything on our account has been resolved. Currently, no longer eligible for Featured Offer. Does this mean end of our Amazon career?

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Seller_11OSEBUHQVy8a

@Michelle_Amazon@Danny_Amazonsomebody please help. Please also note case ID represents only 1 ASIN, in reality all ASIN have lost featured offer eligibility.

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[Moderator Edit: removed off-topic commentary]

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Seller_11OSEBUHQVy8a

24+ hours now, please help 🙏

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Atlas_Amazon

Hello @Seller_11OSEBUHQVy8a

Thank you for the information provided regarding the loss of your feature offer. I understand that it first occurred when your metric for order defect rate when off target, but that it has returned to normal. I have gone ahead and engaged another community manager to further review your situation and provide insight.

Please continue to refer to this thread with any updates or questions that you have.

Best,

Atlas

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Seller_WsdULSSIajCRd

Hi @TaylorR_Amazon,

This is a long post, so I hope you can make it through to the end. If you can, you’ll understand clearly why we have researched the conclusions we have.

But before I get start, I want to thank you for looking into this further. I've reached out to my SAS rep to see if she can provide me with any internal case numbers that she has. This is one of the cases we opened with the SAS issue assistance team, Case ID 14431178361. I'll add another response if our Rep is able to get us more case numbers. But this is not an issue that we believe can be seen at a top-level view of our account.

We believe that a series of four restricted product notifications, during attempts to create a new product, all going against the same ASIN to be the root cause. The employee creating the bulk uploads was not on the email list for performance notifications, so did not catch the error. We create and manage our vendors' Amazon listings, but often times sellers without the authority attempt to create listings that end up being locked on Amazon's back end, and we have to work through a series of errors to get the products live.

Our employee believed that was what had happened, as this product was just one of a number of products that contained errors on the backend of Amazon. We had safeguards in place to catch any keyword terms that could be linked to restricted products, but this particular keyword was not in our screening process. I say this all to express that we were attempting to audit product data coming in from our vendors, but it wasn't enough, and in this case, we received 4 separate performance notifications, as you can see detailed in the case file above.

Through the years, we have learned that all types of infractions a seller might receive from Amazon, are not visible on the Account Health Page. This is not conjecture and I can provide case ids for many examples of this and we only learned of them from the Amazon lending team when it was typing up million-dollar loans. I can provide a sample of such case numbers if you'd like. But with that knowledge that Amazon, for very reasonable reasons, does not show all of the metrics it grades a seller on, and such grading isn't done by a human, but an algorithm.

In our discussions with higher levels of Amazon Support over the years, we have learned that there is another score separate from the Account Health Score. I'm not sure of its official name, but let's call it Seller Reputation Score, or as I like to think of it, the "Do We Invite Uncle Frank to the Wedding" Score. If Uncle Frank has a stellar reputation, you can put him up front at the wedding, let him dance with the bride and the flower girl. But if you're not sure about him, you stick him in the back away from anyone you care about. And if his reputation is bad enough, you don't even risk inviting him to the wedding.

It makes sense to me, Amazon is grading us sellers across a spectrum. The most important thing that they watch for, is something that could damage the Amazon Brand Name internationally, start a social boycott, cost billions. To the shareholders of the company, this would rank many levels higher than something a kid might choke on. Those things are important too, but misfortune happens all the time and such misfortune wouldn't cost billions.

Now, from what we know from the release of the Account Health Dashboard. Amazon has metrics in place to catch bad sellers both small and large. They also have metrics in place that will help protect large sellers from the occasional invalid violation, allowing time to clear it. But these soft and hard infractions can be calculated in a variety of ways to help catch the fish that aren't good for Amazon or the Amazon customer. And one such way is how it handles infractions against the same child ASIN, and I'm sure a 1,000 other things I've not thought of or haven't been shared on the forums.

But if a seller received one infraction on B08QBXWBVR (a pair of Nike men's size 9 sneakers) from a customer on seller or product feedback that included a trigger term like "fake" "not genuine" or "counterfeit" it wouldn't be a big deal. If the seller has proper documentation of their supply chain with genuine invoices, then eventually, Seller Performance will clear them (though I've learned that is rare on the first attempt which wastes everyone's time and scares good sellers needlessly). But if the same seller receives another violation on that same ASIN before the first has been cleared, the impact to the seller's account is significantly increased, as is reasonable. If the seller gets a couple more just like it, watch out, because despite how many listings you sell on, Amazon knows it is statistically unlikely to have four such violations from different customers on the same ASIN without there being a serious problem. It could be something as simple as the wrong product got sent in, but because of the risk to the Amazon customer, it will likely cause the seller's account to be suspended regardless of size.

I'm sorry to go into such detail, but it is important to know where the logic comes from and why we believe we have fallen afoul of a particular Amazon Bot that seeks to protect Amazon and the customer from products that could endanger the Amazon brand. Because of insufficient protections on our side, a product with "Rebel Flag" in the title was pushed via a new product file that included a large number of listings, on four separate occasions in 2023. After pushing the product files, we received performance notifications on July 12th, Sept. 2nd, and Sept. 5th, and Sept. 12th. (please note that the case id above erroneously includes dates on our creation files, not when the performance notifications were received). As you can see from the graph on my previous post, there was an extreme BB% drop off. Looking at the SKU level, the critical event happened on Sept. 5th.

We believe that like visible Account Health Violations, where multiple infractions on the same ASIN produced exponentially greater impacts to an account, that there is a similar algorithm in place for non-visible violations that play a significant factor in determining the BB and determining if lending offers are extended to a seller's account. Because it stands to reason that Amazon would not wish to grow accounts, or promote accounts that have Seller Reputation Scores below a certain level. We are still allowed at the wedding, but they have placed us at a back table. And just like that creepy uncle, he's back there for a reason, but from all appearances, he's just like every other guest. Those other guests are sellers and support staff that aren't privy to this other grading scale, because this scale is based on a feeling and on impropriety, suspected of being dangerous, but not enough evidence to convict, but enough signals to ward against.

I believe that is what has happened to our account. I had hoped that such hidden penalties would follow a similar logic of Account Health violations, allowing them to age off after 180 days, but we have passed these anniversaries and things have not improved much. I have waited to contact Jeff and Andy's team in hopes it would clear itself, but I fear this cloud is following our account, despite everything we've done to be a model seller. We continue to pay the penalty for an unintended mistake, one we were even watching for, but missed as we had already flagged terms like "Confederate", but we missed this one. Despite all we've achieved and contributed, we're at the back table and we don't know who else we can go to for help. We can't talk to the Bride & Groom, and the other guests that inquire on our behalf, are told that things are working as intended, and they are, but there appears to be no way to appeal, except perhaps in writing a letter to the Father of the Bride, and hoping that he'll intercede on our behalf.

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TaylorR_Amazon

@Seller_WsdULSSIajCRd, creative metaphors here!

I'm looking for a case which requests the review of your ASINs (and specifically which ones) for featured offer eligibility if you have one. If not, you will need to open one. Like you say, four months ago there was not a listing related to the ASIN in the case you provided and your account was healthy. A more recent case, say in the last month, would help!

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@TaylorR_Amazon

Please let Papa Jeff know that I gave up a very unprofitable career in creative writing to make money for both of us!

Btw, here's the ASIN that the performance notifications were tied to: B00G5I02QI

If our account did get flagged somewhere on the backend, my guess is that there'll be some link to it. Unless it's a general, "we caught you being bad," and you get a mark on your account that isn't directly tied to anything, just that you did something the bot didn't like.

But if historical Seller Reputation Scores are available to the person doing the deep dive, they can just look back to before July 2023 and compare that score to what it was in mid-September, and if it went from say .97 to .38 suddenly, then it's as simple as looking for the event that did it.

Here are a few ASINs that we saw the switch flip on 9/5

B00J91Q1JK

B00GOVR1ME

B00WDW9H1G

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@TaylorR_Amazon

Updated previous post with 3 ASINs where you can see the dramatic buy box loss on 9/5/23

"Like you say, four months ago there was not a listing related to the ASIN in the case you provided and your account was healthy. A more recent case, say in the last month, would help!"

I'm not sure I follow? Can you clarify what you mean by there wasn't a listing related to the case? B00G5I02QI was indeed there, it's just that the listing Bot removed it nearly instantly. If you check my response to the case on 12/12/23 you can see two of the four performance notifications from back in Sept 2023.

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TaylorR_Amazon

Thank you for the ASINS @Seller_WsdULSSIajCRd!

I don't know anything about a reputation score type grading. If there is one, I haven't heard of it. I think opening a case regarding the featured offer specifically is the best move here.

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I'm not sure I follow? Can you clarify what you mean by there wasn't a listing related to the case? B00G5I02QI was indeed there, it's just that the listing Bot removed it nearly instantly. If you check my response to the case on 12/12/23 you can see two of the four performance notifications from back in Sept 2023.
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I just meant that things may have changed in the last four months and a new case with Seller Support might provide more insight. If you haven't opened one in the last 30 days, I recommend doing so.

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@TaylorR_Amazon

I'll happily open another case if it will help you with escalating it. Did you wish for me to send it to General Seller Support, or SAS Issue Assistance, or some other group?

Regarding the Seller Reputation Score, that is something that we were told by higher level support during deep dives. However, they are only able to see the calculated score, not how it is being calculated or what is impacting it most.

So from my understanding, the main factors are something like the below and, of course, it's a closely guarded secret as to how much they are factored in and capped:

Fulfillment Method: FBA/SFP > MFN

Shipping Time: To customer Zip Code Prime Available > FBA in Transfer > MFN > FBA Inbound

Price: Lower Price > Higher Price

Orders: More > Less

Seller Performance: Metrics such as order defect rate, cancellation rate, and late shipment rate.

Customer Service: Efficiency and responsiveness.

Sales Volume: Higher sales volume may influence visibility.

Feedback Score: Higher average feedback ratings from customers.

Seller Tenure: Length of time selling on Amazon.

Return Policy: Offering a comprehensive and customer-friendly return policy.

These metrics above are well-documented and all pretty obvious, but it's whatever makes up the Seller Reputation Score that is a black box. Some things I've been told make up part of it, others are just logical guesses.

Seller Reputation: Total Lifetime Feedback or rolling 365 Feedback, Avg. Seller Feedback Rating, Uncleared Inauthentic claims, things like certain types of Restricted Product Violations (MY CONCERN ABOVE), If the seller is driving external traffic to the listing via advertising, and I suspect, a very long list of metrics that Amazon tracks but doesn't talk about for a lot of legitimate reasons.

We have been able to rule out all of the other factors with the exception of Seller Reputation, so this is where we believe some event trigger a very large hit to ours.

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@TaylorR_Amazon

I think I understand now what you meant, and the confusion on both our parts. Perhaps that's on me for not stating it clearly. But I think the below will get us on the same page.

The graph I posted above, which showed the massive drop in buy box share on 9/5, was across our ENTIRE catalog, not just a few listings.

We currently have 5854 listings with stock. We experienced a dramatic loss of buy box share across ALL of them against our existing FBA competitors.

If it were just a few ASINs, I wouldn't be so concerned, nor would I think it was an account-level issue. But since it affects all of them, that's why it's a multimillion-dollar problem for us.

I also understand your statement about our ASIN not being in the case. You interpreted what I wrote earlier as if we were having the issue with a small group of ASINs, but as you can see, that is not the case.

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TaylorR_Amazon

I apologize for the delay in my response, @Seller_WsdULSSIajCRd. I believe we are on the same page now!

On the account level, eligibility is based on account performance and other risk factors for the safety and satisfaction of buyers. Your account manager and/or Seller Support may be able to do a deeper dive.

Let me know the case ID if you decide to open a new case with Seller Support.

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@TaylorR_Amazon

I appreciate it Taylor, but I've went ahead and sent emails to jeff@amazon.com and andy@amazon.com in hopes they can help.

I'll provide links to our posts if they need further information.

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TaylorR_Amazon

Sounds good @Seller_WsdULSSIajCRd. Let me know the outcome.

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Seller_2ocdeVST6pSqj

Atlas_Amazon Were having the same problem, and same timing. All books, media, and other items have been turned off of feature offer. Most buyers dont know to click on the see buying options button. Amazon is hiding availability and sales are hurting because of this ridiculous setup on amazon. Why suppress potential business?? The featured offer for us was turned off at the same time as the original poster, and when we wrote seller support got the same response of we cant discuss why etc etc. Were also stuck with hundreds upon hundreds of books and single issue magazines etc that haven't moved at all since this happened back in February. I don't know what were going to do. Were not even fba, were fullfillment by merchant. Whatever happened in February when featured offer was turned off for tons of sellers (there are countless complaints about this in the forums) its killed off business. It's not right.

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Seller_WsdULSSIajCRd

@Seller_11OSEBUHQVy8a Please tell us what steps you used to get this resolved! Did someone help, if so, who did you contact? Or did it simply just get fixed on its own?

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Hello, @TaylorR_Amazon, we received your response "We’re not able to discuss all the factors that determine Featured Offer Eligibility, but here are some tips to help increase the chance of your offers being eligible" and eligibility list. We 100% qualify all of that and our listing is still not featured offer. This is 100% wrong internally, we request if another review could be done. Case ID for this case: 15045318911

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