GPSR and excluding NI as a Handmade seller in UK

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Seller_HmRj57H7WxeMm

GPSR and excluding NI as a Handmade seller in UK

I think I need to stop my items showing for sale in NI because of the new GPSR regs coming in. However I can't see a way to do this.

I sell on Handmade and don't have shipping profiles, my shipping charges are set by Amazon. I don't get to change them and I don't have a list of countries to tick/untick. Does this mean that I can't exclude NI? How can I be compliant for GPSR?

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

I take it from that you are on the individual selling plan.

If so that’s correct you can’t exclude Northern Ireland.

As such you are correct that you can’t 100% comply with GPSR as you can’t add the relevant data to the listings (manufacturers and responsible persons etc)

Unfortunately Amazon simply do not see that this is a requirement on Amazon UK.

Sorry there isn’t another answer.

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Seller_HmRj57H7WxeMm

I am, yes.

Thank you for the reply, I did think that might be the case. Another platform I sell on have the same view!

I expect they will both start to understand if and when they get in trouble for it!

I am surprised by Amazon though, I thought they would be more on the ball than this. Ebay have it set up, why is it so hard for other platforms to understand I wonder?

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

out of interest what is the other platform? You can name them.

EBay I have been impressed with their clarity, though I do know that sellers on the form there have grievances, though it’s more around specifics like what constitutes an antique etc.

Who knows if Amazon will get caught?!

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Seller_HmRj57H7WxeMm

Etsy is the other one who don't seem to understand the whole UK / GB / NI situation.

Hopefully Amazon will work it out and let us exclude NI. If not, all the AH UK sellers will have a problem. Even cancelling NI orders won't be enough I think? It's the offering for sale, not the actual selling, that's the problem.

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

well from your point of view all you could do is move to the pro selling plan and then remove NI.

Of course you shouldn’t have to. If you cancelled all NI orders it might impact your cancellation rate

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Seller_HmRj57H7WxeMm

I believe the pro selling plan would cost me £25 a month?

Seems a bit much when it should be Amazon's issue to solve, I'm not sure I want to pay that much - I'm not yet at a point where it's cost effective for me.

I think I'll just wait and see what happens.

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Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfh

I believe its always been the case that the Professional Selling Plan charge is waived for Handmade

See here

Once you are approved to sell in Handmade and you have upgraded to a Professional Selling Plan, Amazon Handmade will waive the monthly Professional Selling Plan fee after the first month.

So it might cost you £30 for the first month. As with amazon terms are never 100% clear.

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Seller_ZjZ4slOF0jHpk

Yes, as @Seller_ZJhFeE3tNKzfhsaid, if you are registered as an Amazon Handmade seller, you can waive the monthly fee. They will probably take the 1st payment, but you have to message them to get it back and get them to stop future payments. Unless they've improved since I joined (2019) - though unlikely!

Amazon are still saying that we can sell to NI safely even with GPSR. For the moment, I'm just going with the flow and seeing what happens.

I've seen it said that the EU will be looking at individual cases on a case-by-case basis. And there will of course need to be a grace period for all of this. So I highly doubt they will be jumping on small sellers right from the start. Yes, they will have the big marketplaces in their sights, but they also take into account what systems and processes they have put in place, so (like Etsy, who still can't understand the difference between Ireland and N.Ireland despite having a base in Ireland!) you could argue that as you have to sell to the UK and Amazon & Etsy haven't made it so you can strip out NI, then it's not exactly your fault. It might seem a risk too far for some, but I'm happy to sit back and see. I'll have to stop mid December until after NY anyway because of the slow post, so I'm unlikely to get anything from NI.

Oh and there's also some uncertainty (with some experts) about what constitutes a 'new' item placed on the market. Depending on what you sell and when they were made, you could argue the items were pre-Dec13. How would the EU know what you have made and what you haven't, if you've been listing that product for months or years.

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Seller_ZVAz3d5lZuGid

"I believe the pro selling plan would cost me £25 a month?"

It's actually £30, as it is £25 + VAT.

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Seller_76AUwmqvSyRIM

Likewise. Wait and see.

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Amazon are still saying that we can sell to NI safely even with GPSR. For the moment, I'm just going with the flow and seeing what happens.
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Oh and there's also some uncertainty (with some experts) about what constitutes a 'new' item placed on the market. Depending on what you sell and when they were made, you could argue the items were pre-Dec13. How would the EU know what you have made and what you haven't, if you've been listing that product for months or years.
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I imagine the burden of proof would be on you to prove that they were produced prior to the 13th.

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